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us come up with a plan that puts america on a long-term, sound basis. paul ryan did that in the house. that plan is sustainable. it changes the debt course of america. the president has yet to lay out anything like that. >> i'll tell you what really struck me in a moment from that interview, but let me keep on with what you're saying. you have called the secretary's claim of $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases an egregious falsehood. he did say $600 billion in cuts is what is being proposed there. he said it's health care. you said he's not even tinkering with medicare. where are these cuts? >> let me respond to that. they cut providers -- again, these are the hospitals and doctors. $600 billion over ten years. that's a reduction in spending. he's not mentioning the fact that he gives away $1.2 trillion of the sequester. that whole savings that we agreed to as part of the budget control act he eliminates. in other words, that's an additional $1.2 trillion in spending over the current agreement that we're operating under today. it's a $1.2 trillion increase. so there's a
on the smartest ways to get them made as quickly as pock. >> and i feel like america knows we need to make the changes. medicare has never been changed since it was first put into place. you know, what do you think it's going to take to actually get things done here? i -- does it surprise you that we don't have a deal yet at this time in the calendar? >> i don't know that it surprises me we don't have a deal yet because the unfortunate truth about washington negotiations is anything hard doesn't tend to happen until the very last moment, and let me be honest about that. that has real economic consequences and costs. it's already harm our economy that we're waiting so long, but what i really think we need to see, and you're right, voters outside of washington understand these issues, but we need real honest discussion with the people people where instead of both side pretending that you can get this without the tough choices and going back to the bases and saying there are things you don't like and instead of the conversation always being us and them, two sides fighting it out instead of th
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